Dialogue 1

 

codedimages
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The phrase has become a recurring theme, a key starting point for many explorations. So, in one way, it is more important now that it ever has been. Before it was just a test phrase, now it is a key to so much more. And no, I am not at all ‘tired of [it]‘.

 

janeboyer
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That’s a really important aspect of repetition, the dividing line between mindless meaningless repeating and when it becomes the impulse to creating new meaning. I’m curious, do you think this transformation happens only through experience or does it happen in other ways too? For example, your test phrase became the means to create new meaning as your experience changed from interacting with it as a systems engineer to interacting with it as an artist. Do you think a similar transformation would have happened if you had not had the change in experience? I mean could a transformation like this happen from use in general knowledge or must it be experience related?

 

codedimages
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I think we filter every new input based on what has gone before. We can, of course, make a conscious effort to leave experience out of the equation, but would our unconscious mind ever allow that to actually happen? My new (ish) situation, being a full-time artist, creates so many new inputs to process it seems entirely rational to filter those inputs based on experience. In doing so, I find new ways to reuse ideas from my previous life (career). My art is from me and I am my experience.

 

janeboyer
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That’s true. I think what I’m wondering is if experience is the only impulse to change meaning in a repetitive subject? I suppose if I were to sit and think about a subject, I could come up with new meaning, especially if I applied thought experiments to the subject, but this suggests experience is still the motivator to new meaning even if it is ‘virtual’ experience. Is knowledge and meaning expanded in any other way except through experience? I can’t quite see that it is, but maybe my thought experiments are too limited at the moment!

 

codedimages
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I don’t think I am saying ‘expanded … through experience’. I am saying expanded against a background of experience. Many things can trigger change, many of them external and beyond our control. We build new knowledge on the foundation of what we already know. Sometimes the new will undermine the old and other times the new reinforces the old. I have found the best way forward is to think rationally and not let experience become dogmatic (experience again). Always be willing to learn and grow. Repeating what works is a fundamental part of creating a stable situation. Repeating what works is a good way of testing any new situation to see if it should change what we know works. I think of this as an input – action – feedback loop (my black box idea again). Repeating the loops with variations to test what happens. To test what works best. To discover what is new. Variations can be self generated (e.g. your thought experiments maybe) or external (e.g. an often used and much loved material out of manufacture – thinking as an artist there). As you can see repetition is a key part of my process.

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